From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Sun Aug 12 06:13:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 12 Aug 2001 13:13:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 83889 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2001 13:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2001 13:13:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.46) by mta1 with SMTP; 12 Aug 2001 13:13:16 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.255.41.137]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010812131314.MSQT6330.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:13:14 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] RE: Re: Well I guess you do learn something new every day... Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:12:19 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Nick: > So the gaps do get filled, one way > or the other. I guess I'm just saying we need to keep looking for them; > and I don't think they're going to get filled the way people assume > they're going to get filled. I think it won't be amorphous Invisible Hand > (spoken usage); and it won't be Edict (the time for that is clearly past.) > It will be a clumsier combination > of debate and usage among Lojbanists of good will, with occasional > steerings away from contradicting existing baseline. (Arguably, that's > what's just happened with {vo'a} and {fa'a}.) I completely agree. > And the exchanges are going to keep being testy and frustrating; but I > think the community is now maturing enough that something can be extracted > out of them in the end, most of the time. Pace Lojbab [-- a vain hope!], keeping records on the Wiki will be a huge help: it will remind us of what we decided, it will help newcomers to discover what we decided, it will in consequence reduce the number of debates that just rehash past debates, and it will therefore help us to move our debates into new territory. As for testiness, to enter the debates, it does help if one is endowed with rhinocerotically thick skin and inexhaustible goodwill, especially if one is Lojban Central, in whom pachydermality and benevolence are concentrated in truly admirable abundance. --And.