From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Aug 12 22:50:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 13 Aug 2001 05:50:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 41307 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2001 05:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Aug 2001 05:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 05:50:58 -0000 Received: from user.lojban.org (ppp12.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.12]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7D5ouo43076 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010813012844.00d69150@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:49:06 -0400 To: Subject: Re: [lojban] New to lojban, any suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <9l1op2+k2ts@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 02:54 PM 8/12/01 +0200, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > > Can anyone share there stories of learning Lojban, how far they are > > at, and how they enjoy it? > >I've written some of my story of learning Lojban at >. Basically I've >studied Lojban on my own, on the basis of the electronic wordlists and >the draft reference grammar. > >It is true that one can get a grasp of the basic grammar in a matter of >hours or days. But to be able to say what I wanted to say, I had to >acquire some more vocabulary. This I did primarily with Logflash, the >LLG's fine gismu drilling program. I can't remember exactly how much >time I used to work through all of the 1342, but I think it took me >about six months, while at the same time reading the messages from the >mailing lists. I want to make sure to note that people who use LogFlash are helping the research aspect of the project. LogFlash is instrumented, and anyone like Arnt who makes it through all the words is urged to send me the files specific to their name. Info on the learner's education and language background (especially with regard to the 6 source languages for Lojban gismu, is also useful. > What is the state of Lojbanistan? How many people, and fluent > > speakers, are people happy speaking it? > >To me, the biggest drawback with Lojban is the number of people who are >speaking it. It is actually true that I have never had a verbal >conversation in Lojban with anyone, ever. Most probably, I am the only >one in Norway who knows Lojban, and there are no one that I know of in >the rest of Scandinavia either. The Internet is, for the time being, the >only place I can meet fellow Lojbanists. There is Veijo in Finland, of course. We actually have more than a dozen Scandinavian Lojbanists that I know of, though probably most are inactive. On Lojban List right now, there is one other Norwegian, 4 with Swedish addresses, though one says he is British on the Yahoo list. There is one other Finnish member of Lojban List besides Veijo. One of the Swedish list members ordered several copies of the refgrammar for a group that wanted to study the language. If he does not read this and contact you directly, I can send you his email off-list. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org