From cowan@ccil.org Mon Aug 13 04:52:46 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 13 Aug 2001 11:52:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 70270 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2001 11:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2001 11:52:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 11:52:46 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15WGH2-00006q-00; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:52:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: (C)V'{i|u}V In-Reply-To: <20010812225206.D204@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> from Richard Curnow at "Aug 12, 2001 10:52:06 pm" To: Richard Curnow Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Richard Curnow scripsit: > From this I infer that the sequence "e,a" is treated as "ea" from the > perspective of legality checking and for determining word type, but it > would be pronounced as though it were "e'a". *May* be pronounced so. > Also, you imply that all > 25 vowel pairs can occur in fu'ivla and cmene, with there being an > implied "," inside non-diphthongs. I can't seem to find a definite ruling in the Book or elsewhere about the legality of random vowel pairs in fu'ivla. Cmene, yes, for sure. Lojbab? > So we'd have > > ai, au, ei, oi : > valid in all words > > ia, ie, ii, io, iu, ua, ue, ui, uo, uu : > valid as stand-alone cmavo, in fu'ivla and in cmene > > aa, ae, ao, ea, ee, eo, eu, oa, oe, oo, ou : > valid in fu'ivla and cmene (with presence of "," implied) > > iu, uy : > valid only in cmene Yes, unless the 3rd group should be treated like the 4th after all. > In all cases, a comma between vowels must effectively > be discarded prior to legality checking and word type determination. Yes: commas never make a difference. > At the moment, I think jbofihe/vlatai ignore commas appearing between > vowels and consonants. Is that the correct handling? Yes, and likewise between two consonants ("bang,r,blgaria", e.g.). > The algorithm in jbofihe/vlatai v0.37 is inconsistent with John's other mail > about "ci,e", since it treats this as a cmavo. Once the handling of > commas is agreed, I'll generate a patch to fix this. Yes, that's definitely an error. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org One art/there is/no less/no more/All things/to do/with sparks/galore --Douglas Hofstadter