From pycyn@aol.com Mon Aug 13 11:59:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 13 Aug 2001 18:59:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 86126 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2001 18:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2001 18:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta1 with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 18:57:51 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.10f.3b3c7a9 (660) for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <10f.3b3c7a9.28a97d2c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:57:48 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] New to lojban, any suggestions? To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10f.3b3c7a9.28a97d2c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_10f.3b3c7a9.28a97d2c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2001 11:54:07 AM Central Daylight Time, bob@RATTLESNAKE.COM writes: > He has a pencil ... > > He wants to sharpen it so it writes better -- > Damn, he is a cultist snob for wanting to do that. > (Illegal to modify.) > > He wants to sell it -- > Damn, he is a cultist snob for wanting to do that. > (Illegal to sell.) > > He wants to give it to a friend -- > Damn, he is a cultist snob for wanting to do that. > (Illegal to give away.) > > He wants a choice of whom he buys pencils from -- > Damn, he is a cultist snob for wanting to do that. > (No choice of vendors.) > > He wants to break the pencil -- > Damn, he is a cultist snob for wanting to do that. > (Again, illegal to modify.) > > He wants the freedom to all these things with his software. > > As another person said, he is `un-American' .... > Cute analogy. Not a good one, but cute. A man has a bought a book it took its author 20 years to write. He wants to change a few things in it and pass it off as his own. He wants to run off copies and give to his friends or sell copies below the going price (he doesn't have to pay the author after all). He wants to tear out some pages then demand that the pubisher replace the defective copy. And so on. He is quite rightly a criminal in that case. If you don't want to use MS products, don't. But there is no stigma attached to using them (even studpidity is challengeable). And don't whine because occasionally something for MSDOS or Windows actually works better than the free-spirited stuff (Hell, even Krupp made some good things from time to time). On the other hand, realize that many people do use MS products -- for whatever reason -- and reach out to them when you have a good idea by striving to implement the idea for them as well as for the cult. --part1_10f.3b3c7a9.28a97d2c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2001 11:54:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
bob@RATTLESNAKE.COM writes:

He has a pencil ...

   He wants to sharpen it so it writes better --
       Damn, he is a cultist snob for wanting to do that.
         (Illegal to modify.)

   He wants to sell it --
       Damn, he is a cultist snob for wanting to do that.
         (Illegal to sell.)

   He wants to give it to a friend --
       Damn, he is a cultist snob for wanting to do that.
         (Illegal to give away.)

   He wants a choice of whom he buys pencils from --
       Damn, he is a cultist snob for wanting to do that.
         (No choice of vendors.)

   He wants to break the pencil --
       Damn, he is a cultist snob for wanting to do that.
         (Again, illegal to modify.)

He wants the freedom to all these things with his software.

       As another person said, he is `un-American' ....

Cute analogy. Not a good one, but cute. A man has a bought a book it took
its author 20 years to write. He wants to change a few things in it and pass
it off as his own. He wants to run off copies and give to his friends or
sell copies below the going price (he doesn't have to pay the author after
all). He wants to tear out some pages then demand that the pubisher replace
the defective copy. And so on. He is quite rightly a criminal in that case.
If you don't want to use MS products, don't. But there is no stigma attached
to using them (even studpidity is challengeable). And don't whine because
occasionally something for MSDOS or Windows actually works better than the
free-spirited stuff (Hell, even Krupp made some good things from time to
time). On the other hand, realize that many people do use MS products -- for
whatever reason -- and reach out to them when you have a good idea by
striving to implement the idea for them as well as for the cult. --part1_10f.3b3c7a9.28a97d2c_boundary--