From nicholas@uci.edu Mon Aug 13 12:33:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 13 Aug 2001 19:33:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 74387 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2001 19:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2001 19:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 19:33:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02606; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: selma'o considered harmful Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS >From the Wiki: http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?cmene . Is there any official verdict on the usage of CMENE and selma'o, John? *** >From the Lojban web site FAQ (http://www.lojban.org/files/brochures/faq.htm): cmene: Lojban names Any word used in Lojban as a name. Often used (loosely) in English to refer specifically to the special morphological class (selma'o) of CMENE, which must end in a consonant, and not include the syllables la, lai, and doi. cmene in Lojban involve LA followed by either CMENE or selbri. Lojban can distinguish between the non-terminal cmene and the selma'o CMENE (selma'o po'u la cmene), but it makes a good deal of sense to refer to CMENE words in Lojban at least as cmevla. I think that a cmevla is a valsi lo cmene, and thus is minimally different from just cmene in this respect. (selbri used as names are also words used as names. For those Lojban words ending in consonants, I think that cmeseltai could work, or cmeseltaivla. cmene isn't a selma'o! --jay No, it's a lexeme?, but we end up using selma'o (q.v.) to mean lexeme?. um. but thats wrong... if you want a word for word class, use vlalei, not the word for cmavo class. *** -- == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == Nick Nicholas, Breathing {le'o ko na rivbi fi'inai palci je tolvri danlu} nicholas@uci.edu -- Miguel Cervantes tr. Jorge LLambias