From pycyn@aol.com Mon Aug 13 14:57:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 13 Aug 2001 21:57:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 65608 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2001 21:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Aug 2001 21:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 21:57:47 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.110.3ba074d (4353) for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <110.3ba074d.28a9a754@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:57:40 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] New to lojban, any suggestions? To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_110.3ba074d.28a9a754_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_110.3ba074d.28a9a754_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On various points. UNIX has been around forever, and for desktops for fairly long, but by and large the emphasis here seems to be on the Linux realization, which is about 10 years old (it seems to be hard to pin down a date) against Windows at a full 20 years 9reading off the copyright notices). I'm glad to hear that Linux is growing rapidly and that Buicks are outselling Olds -- with a fleet almost catching up to a single model of Toyota in a single color. And that it is readily available in the sense that there are lots of places where you can buy it and things that work with it. It does not yet come bundled even at places that sell it and it does not yet work out of the box -- if the instruction booklet that was included in the last box I looked into is a guide: 20 pages on fitting it to the machine, involving parts of the critter I don't even want to know about theoretically, let alone hands-on. Ditto for most of the software, which then is not nearly so pretty as boring old Word, for example. But that will all pass as it succeeds, if it is indeed basically a better thing. Meanwhile, most people still have MS and that is going to continue for quite a while. So live with it and help them along as well as improving Linux (or the UNIX of your choice or something else, for that matter). I'm not sure just how Lojban is to emulate Linux's success. We are apresumably already trying to build the best language we can within our guidelines. It does not seem that putting down other languages is going to be particularly helpful and cooperating with them on common problems might actually be to our advantage from time to time. The intricacies of the Free Software movement seem a bit off the point here right now, noble as it is in itself. We are interested in getting things that help Lojban, by whatever means we can and of maximim effectiveness. That means things that run on Windows and MSDOS and Macs and Linux and -- if the need arose -- CPMs and supercomputers. And doing it without disparaging remarks or nasty cracks. --part1_110.3ba074d.28a9a754_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On various points.
UNIX has been around forever, and for desktops for fairly long, but by and
large the emphasis here seems to be on the Linux realization, which is about
10 years old (it seems to be hard to pin down a date) against Windows at a
full 20 years 9reading off the copyright notices).
I'm glad to hear that Linux is growing rapidly and that Buicks are outselling
Olds -- with a fleet almost catching up to a single model of Toyota in a
single color. And that it is readily available in the sense that there are
lots of places where you can buy it and things that work with it. It does
not yet come bundled even at places that sell it and it does not yet work out
of the box -- if the instruction booklet that was included in the last box I
looked into is a guide: 20 pages on fitting it to the machine, involving
parts of the critter I don't even want to know about theoretically, let alone
hands-on. Ditto for most of the software, which then is not nearly so pretty
as boring old Word, for example. But that will all pass as it succeeds, if
it is indeed basically a better thing.
Meanwhile, most people still have MS and that is going to continue for quite
a while. So live with it and help them along as well as improving Linux (or
the UNIX of your choice or something else, for that matter).
I'm not sure just how Lojban is to emulate Linux's success. We are
apresumably already trying to build the best language we can within our
guidelines. It does not seem that putting down other languages is going to
be particularly helpful and cooperating with them on common problems might
actually be to our advantage from time to time.
The intricacies of the Free Software movement seem a bit off the point here
right now, noble as it is in itself. We are interested in getting things
that help Lojban, by whatever means we can and of maximim effectiveness.
That means things that run on Windows and MSDOS and Macs and Linux and -- if
the need arose -- CPMs and supercomputers. And doing it without disparaging
remarks or nasty cracks. --part1_110.3ba074d.28a9a754_boundary--