From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Aug 13 19:08:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 14 Aug 2001 02:08:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 26863 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2001 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2001 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.153) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Aug 2001 02:08:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:08:00 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.213 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 02:08:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.213] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] {lo'i} as a Q-kau solution? Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 02:08:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2001 02:08:00.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[F15E4AF0:01C12465] From: "Jorge Llambias" la rob cusku di'e >If you evaluate an abstraction the moment you hear it, you remove the part >of >the sentence which gives it any meaning whatsoever. As I just mentioned >before >(on the wrong thread, assuming this one had stopped), {mi djuno leni galtu >be >la bob.} does not mean {mi djuno le pamuno centre}, because the second is >the >first with the only part of the meaning that matters removed. Of course. But {ni} is ambiguous, sometimes it refers to a number, sometimes to an indirect question (or whatever we are calling it this week). >The HP49's programming language does not include the concept of layers of >abstraction in this case. Lojban, OTOH, should if it is to be speakable at >all, because we use layers of abstraction in ordinary communication much >more >than we do in programming. No doubt about it. But {le broda} is an instant evaluator, as you put it (sometimes you want instant evaluation!) while {le du'u makau broda} is not. It makes no sense mixing them up. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp