From araizen@newmail.net Mon Aug 13 19:18:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: araizen@newmail.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 14 Aug 2001 02:18:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 95399 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2001 02:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2001 02:18:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Aug 2001 02:18:58 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: araizen@newmail.net Received: from [10.1.2.208] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2001 02:18:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 02:18:54 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: remarks on no'a (was: RE: [lojban] Re: Well I guess you do learn something new every day...) Message-ID: <9la1qe+gvp9@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1001 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.0.182.114 From: "Adam Raizen" la and cusku di'e > I admit that I and I'm sure many others, probably including key > members of the Lojbanistani inner cabal, formerly had overhastily > supposed vo'a would do the job. > > I share your aversion to sevzi. Perhaps it could be something like this: wash oneself is "lumci le nei" -> "nei lumci" -> "nei zei lumci" and then we could take a rafsi like "nej" for nei and get "nejlumci". Likewise, we can play tricks with other places: selnejlasna = lasna fi le se nei = fasten to itself. (l1 l2=l3 l4) > I'm not sure whether you understood me. I mean that no'a means: > > x1 is x1-arg of previous selbri with x2-arg x2, x3-arg x3, etc. > > In other words, the truth conditions of no'a are not those of the > antecedent; rather, they involve the syntactic configuration of the > antecedent. > > > (also it wouldn't be so much fun to play with :-) > > You can still have this sort of fun with {go'i}, can't you? I meant the fun playing with the self-reference. mu'o mi'e adam