From lojbab@lojban.org Mon Aug 13 21:32:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 14 Aug 2001 04:32:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 28710 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2001 04:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Aug 2001 04:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Aug 2001 04:32:31 -0000 Received: from user.lojban.org (209-8-89-101.dynamic.cais.com [209.8.89.101]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7E4WR112870; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010814002446.00d482c0@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:30:49 -0400 To: John Cowan Subject: Re: [lojban] selma'o considered harmful Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3B783138.3020806@reutershealth.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 03:57 PM 8/13/01 -0400, John Cowan wrote: >Nick NICHOLAS wrote: > >>From the Wiki: http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?cmene . Is there any > > official verdict on the usage of CMENE and selma'o, John? > >It's certainly bogus to call CMENE a selma'o, though the internal >code of the parser does (as well as BRIVLA). In Lojban, a better >term such as vlalei would be preferred. Then there are 3 vlalei >and 120+ selma'o. It is bogus from the standpoint of rigorous tanru/dikyjvo etymology, but this is a case where a lujvo through usage does not strictly mean what its etymology suggests. selma'o was coined as a word for "lexeme" when dikyjvo did not exist and it is thoroughly ensconced in our literature with that meaning. I think it is now a little too late to do to selma'o what we did to kunbri (now selbri, and the former is long forgotten) and le'avla (now fu'ivla, but you can still find the former sometimes). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org