From jay.kominek@colorado.edu Tue Aug 14 21:02:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 15 Aug 2001 04:02:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 42861 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2001 04:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Aug 2001 04:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ucsub.colorado.edu) (128.138.129.12) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Aug 2001 04:02:27 -0000 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu (kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu [128.138.129.12]) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2/ITS-5.0/student) with ESMTP id f7F42RW22421 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:02:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:02:26 -0600 (MDT) To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Chomskyan universals and Lojban In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE From: Jay Kominek On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Invent Yourself wrote: > > > * Natlang syntax doesn't have terminators (AFAIK) > > > > They'd probably be significantly less ambiguous if they did. > > "unquote" is a terminator. Are you sure there are no more? I'm sure there are prosadic cues which indicate the end of phrase boundries. I don't know a whole lot of prosady, though. Maybe Lojban has merely moved them from being prosodic to more obvious (and ASCII-representable) positions? > Yes, unfair to mention SE, fair to mention place structures. Or are there > any langs with them? What about this Thompson language, spoken by ~500 > Canadian Native Americans, said to be the only language that's a little > similar to Lojban in structure? Was that a joke? I can find no informatio= n > about that language except its existence, using the net. Most native american languages are very agglutinating, whereas Lojban is very isolating. I suppose that doesn't really stop it from being similar in some bizarre way, though. > More than kids, the house in which they raised must be an all-Lojban hous= e > (best), or second best is that one parent always uses Lojban, while the > other parent uses something else. I'm pretty sure it is possible for children to become fluent even with exposure only though, say, the grandparents, who aren't around all the time. (There ought to be cases of this with bilingual english/spanish hispanic families.) Sigh. I've really been meaning to read up on childhood language acquisition. - Jay Kominek Plus =C3=A7a change, plus c'est la m=C3=AAme chose