From jay.kominek@colorado.edu Wed Aug 15 14:51:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 15 Aug 2001 21:51:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 52941 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2001 21:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Aug 2001 21:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ucsub.colorado.edu) (128.138.129.12) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Aug 2001 21:50:26 -0000 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu (kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu [128.138.129.12]) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2/ITS-5.0/student) with ESMTP id f7FLoMW04464 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:50:22 -0600 (MDT) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] ma smuni zo senva In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE From: Jay Kominek On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Cyril Slobin wrote: > My question is not strictly about lojban, but rather about english > language. According to gismu list, {senva} means "dream". But from my > russian-biased point of view, english word "dream" has two diffirent > meanings that have very little in common. Dream(1) means "to see while > sleeping", and dream(2) is similar to "wish" or "hope". And I cannot > imagine a concept that covers both meanings at once. Maybe this is a > Worfian effect. zo'o Which of two {senva} means? senva seems to mean that the person is visualizing or imaging things which aren't happening, and possibly couldn't. I'd imagine that dorsne is day dreaming, while ctesne is what you do at night while you're alseep. - Jay Kominek Plus =C3=A7a change, plus c'est la m=C3=AAme chose