From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Aug 15 22:04:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 16 Aug 2001 05:04:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 19382 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2001 05:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Aug 2001 05:04:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-5.cais.net) (205.252.14.75) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Aug 2001 05:04:23 -0000 Received: from user.lojban.org (59.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.59]) by stmpy-5.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7G54La31895 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010816004708.00cfaea0@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:02:25 -0400 To: Subject: Re: [lojban] ma smuni zo senva In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 09:46 PM 8/15/01 -0600, Jay Kominek wrote: >IMO, day dreams, nightmares, good dreams are all cases of senva. Hoping >that you get into graduate school isn't senva. Sitting around in class and >thinking about how neat it would be to be to have a graduate degree, such >that you're unaware of the professor lecturing, is senva. > >However, I would form some sort lujvo for all of them, and use the >appropriate lujvo instead of senva directly, as it seems to be a gismu >which is fairly vague and best left to lujvo/tanru construction. Note that this is precisely the opposite philosophy that Colin Fine once expressed which was to Lojbanically use the broad if more vague term where possible. He noted that English speakers are prone to being overspecific about some things that are obvious, and that Lojban seems to make a bit of art of being creatively vague or elliptical in leaving out things English finds essential (like tense and number). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org