From rmcivor@macsrule.com Thu Aug 16 08:23:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rmcivor@macsrule.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 16 Aug 2001 15:23:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 82732 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2001 15:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2001 15:23:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.35) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Aug 2001 15:23:00 -0000 Received: from localhost ([64.230.88.8]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010816152300.QPOC24413.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@localhost>; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:23:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:22:58 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: junta [was: Re: [lojban] selma'o considered harmful Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com To: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010816011759.00d29870@pop.cais.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010816152300.QPOC24413.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@localhost> From: Robert McIvor On Thursday, August 16, 2001, at 01:33 AM, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > At 09:44 PM 8/15/01 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote:BTW, noting that Lojban > defaults to using SI units in measurement, I > intended that you can express such messes as g m/sec**2 (newton?) as > lujvo > based on such tanru as ni bapli [kei] gradu and acceleration as ni sutra > cenba [kei] gradu. > > This seemed better than JCB's approach, which in 1986-7 included adding > gismu for "volt" and other commonly used units, though those additions > seem > not to have made it into his revised Loglan 1 gismu list. > They may not have made it into the latest edition of Loglan 1, but all these units in a Loglanized form remained in the dictionary. It is much more convenient to say that such and such newtons the number 2 than to explain it in terms of fundamental SI units. On the other hand, I believe JCB would have considered revri for all forms of E dreaming, but would have strongly encouraged specification by the speaker/writer with lujvo to indicate the type of mental activity involved. Indeed, the current Loglan dictionary has the lujvo bad-dream (nightmare) awake-dream (daydream, reverie) dream-look (wonder) and awake-dream-desire (one sense of fancy). JCB was very fond of metaphor in luvo, such as time-stretching for boring. Sincerely, Robert A McIvor