From graywyvern@hotmail.com Fri Aug 17 07:57:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: graywyvern@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 17 Aug 2001 14:57:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 17227 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2001 14:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2001 14:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.151) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Aug 2001 14:57:06 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:57:04 -0700 Received: from 65.67.96.113 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:57:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.96.113] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: "Web" [was: re: Literal and Metaphorical Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:57:04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 14:57:04.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0A81280:01C1272C] From: "michael helsem" First of all, it's very GLICYKAI to want one exact LUJVO that we use everytime we refer to the thing that in English is called "the Internet", "the Web", "the Information Superhighway", "the Internet", "the Net", "Virtual Reality" & "Where I go when I should be doing work on my office computer"... Why can't we be content with just using the various appropriate TANRU for the distinctions we are making at the moment? (Remember BRODA CEI for texts that use the same referent a lot!) Why can't there be a dozen LUJVO? Why is this controversial? I myself think it is TO'E LOBYKAI even to compile such a thing as "THE Lojban-English/English-Lojban Dictionary". GISMU are not & will never be GLIVLA SMUDUNLI. Creating such a body of mostly nonce coinages will only further a misleading illusion that will surely not outlast the first generation of LOBYTADNI. (But i know this project means a lot to our respectability (SINMA GUBNI)in the outside world. It is, then, a regrettable necessity, NALNELCI SE BILGA.) It seems to me that since there is PE'A & since BRODA BRODE is explicitly defined as a combination of BRODA with its places plus BRODE with its places, we are left with (A) using in formal speech BRODA BRODE or BRODA PE'A BRODE or BRODA BRODE PE'A or FU'EPE'A BRODA BRODE FU'O regardless of how clumsy it seems to our GLIBAU sensibility, in order to express the various things that a TANRU can be; & (B) the informal possibly of occasionally dispensing with PE'A where it can be understood as elidable (& isn't this simply what LA XOD. is asking for?--correct me if i'm wrong)... LUJVO, being also perhaps a sort of NALNELCI SE BILGA, will follow their own Darwinian course--& i myself will choose the one that sounds best to my ear; anyone else can pick theirs by different criteria. I want to put something like this on the Wiki, & hope thoughtful rejoinders will be added so that the spectrum of opinion on this can be studied by those without a definite position yet. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp