From nicholas@uci.edu Fri Aug 17 16:35:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 17 Aug 2001 23:35:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 17685 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2001 23:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Aug 2001 23:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Aug 2001 23:35:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04612; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:35:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:35:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Literal and Metaphor (was: pages) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS Jorge writes: >i xu lu mi ce do simfrica li'u cu smuni mintu i lo'i ficysi'u >cu klesi lo'i simxu enai lo'i frica i pe'i ei lo'i simfrica >cu klesi lo'i frica You have hoist me with my own petard; congratulations. If I insist that a selma'o is a se cmavo, then I must also use simxu as a suffix, not a prefix. The prefixal sim- is a habit I got into early on, because the mutuality is semantically subordinate to whatever else goes on in the seljvo. But obviously place structure is what really counts as semantics in Lojban, so this is inappropriate. I had tried to formulate sim- as an exception to this in my initial draft of the lujvo paper, but this was properly rejected. As to why I prefer simfrica (or fricysimxu), the reason is obvious: natural language transference. This does not inherently make it malglico, though. And I do wish you'd insert periods. You're free not to; but I'm also free to find your lerfu too undifferentiated to slough through. (I realise you're not going to break a habit of umpty-umpt years, so I'm just saying that for the record.) -- == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == Nick Nicholas, Breathing {le'o ko na rivbi fi'inai palci je tolvri danlu} nicholas@uci.edu -- Miguel Cervantes tr. Jorge LLambias