From nicholas@uci.edu Mon Aug 20 14:09:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 20 Aug 2001 21:09:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 26839 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2001 21:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2001 21:07:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Aug 2001 21:07:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04865; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:07:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:07:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: [lojban] Brochure updates Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS cu'u la djim.piters. >I don't like this, but there is no point in complaining. However >looking at `r' as a Spanish `r' (as I am), I'm going pronounce >{KAtr'in} as {katrin} every time, because from that perspective, >you're asking me to turn an easily pronouncable consonant into a weird >murky vowel-sound because by some rule or other it is >deemed syllabic. >{KAtr,in} == {katr} + {in} == {katrin} # I can say >{katr}, Spanish `r' >Is there some clear rule to tell me that that `r' isn't a roll-able >`r' ? Is this rule easy to remember ? By default, r is not a syllable peak. If it is, you'll know by the inserted comma. Which is only legal for names. On the other hand, r may be pronounced both trilled and not; and both can serve as syllable peaks. The rule is not whether it's rollable; it's whether it's a separate syllable. The island of Krk is natively pronounced with a trilled r; the name {brt} is natively (in America) pronounced with an untrilled r. In Lojban, you do whichever is least painful to you. And be relieved this only happens in names -- which are ipso facto *not* internationally-friendly. Oops, got anticipated by John. :-) -- == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == Nick Nicholas, Breathing {le'o ko na rivbi fi'inai palci je tolvri danlu} nicholas@uci.edu -- Miguel Cervantes tr. Jorge LLambias