From jim@uazu.net Tue Aug 21 03:20:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@uazu.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 21 Aug 2001 10:20:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 68276 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2001 10:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2001 10:20:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.90) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2001 10:20:18 -0000 Received: from aguazul.demon.co.uk ([158.152.135.59] helo=tiger) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15Z8dt-0002dW-0W for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:20:17 +0100 Received: from jim by tiger with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15Z8YV-0006e6-00 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:14:43 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:14:42 +0100 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Brochure updates Message-ID: <20010821111442.B25477@uazu.net> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <01082100422100.02535@neofelis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01082100422100.02535@neofelis>; from phma@oltronics.net on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:42:21AM -0400 From: Jim Peters Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 20 August 2001 17:28, Craig wrote: > > >And fu'ivla, for which the same holds. And which the Esperantists love to > > >use to polemicise about how unpronouncable Lojban is. > > > > Just ask them to say "postscio" sometime. > > One test wordoid I came up with for vlatai was "maststststaka". That also > reminds me of a tongue twister I invented ... Thanks to Pierre, John + Nick for clearing up my syllabic consonant question - I'll be saying them Spanish-style, which means that some of those American names are going to sound well weird, but at least I know that I'm correct in saying them that way now. The only point now regarding the brochure's coverage of pronunciation is that it is obviously oriented towards English speakers, not mentioning any of the other Lojbanically-correct options. There may be others like me who are familiar with Spanish for whom a Spanish style would be much more comfortable, and who would otherwise be struggling. On the other hand the full list of alternative pronunciations is huge. Perhaps a brief mention of the other possibilities would be enough to send the reader to check out the reference grammar on the 'net, which would resolve this whole thing for me. - - - Anyway, regarding tongue twisters - has anyone invented any Lojban tongue twisters yet ? {bangrblgaria} is fun, but not mind-bending on the scale of the rhymes "She sells sea shells on the sea shore ..." or "Peter picked a pep of pickled peppers ..." Jim -- Jim Peters (_)/=\~/_(_) Uazú (_) /=\ ~/_ (_) jim@ (_) /=\ ~/_ (_) www. uazu.net (_) ____ /=\ ____ ~/_ ____ (_) uazu.net