From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Tue Aug 21 08:12:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 21 Aug 2001 15:12:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 93828 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2001 15:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2001 15:08:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2001 15:08:54 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:47:18 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:14:06 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:13:57 +0100 To: lojban Subject: CHAT RE: [lojban] ... On second thought Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta Craig: #There is no one way to pronounce anything in america, anymore than in #britain. There are many, and quite varied accents. Where I live (North #Carolina), most people say kar,l - but not all. I've met people from up #north who say ka,l, though even up there it's usually karl. But in karl th= e #syllabic l is a valid option, right? Where I live (in London), Carl =3D Col =3D Cole =3D [kQw]. Carol =3D [k&ro]= in careful articulation, but would in casual speech be homophonous with "cow" (and Sal is homophonous with "sow" (female pig)). I was trying to think of a case where the Lojban comma is=20 contrastive for my accent: Brian =3D brai,n; Brine =3D brain. mi'e And. "His body, now interred in stagnant sloughs, rets and rots in cloacal canals."