From jcowan@reutershealth.com Tue Aug 21 08:47:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 21 Aug 2001 15:47:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 2770 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2001 15:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2001 15:43:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2001 15:43:26 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[192.168.3.11]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05604; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B82816C.1060707@reutershealth.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:42:36 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010801 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: And Rosta Cc: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] Toward a {ce'u} record References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan And Rosta wrote: > John: > #In general, "ri" skips things where the meaning is the same on repetition: > #"ri" skips "mi" and "do" and "ko'a" and "da". > > I think this rule needs further consideration and specification before it > is made authoritative. "ro broda", "lo pa broda", "lo'i broda", > "lo du'u/ka broda" would mean the same on repetition, but are > they to be skipped? No. I was talking of other KOhA, not complex sumti. > (There's also the problem that "do" can change referents midsentence, > unless Lojban excludes this by stipulation.) True. > (And then there's the contrast between: > 1. Only Prince Charles remembers marrying Diana (True] > 2. Only Prince Charles remembers him marrying Diana (False) > > where in (2) a mere repeater anaphor is sufficient, while in (1) > we require (as the marrier sumti) something different and more > ce'u-like.) (1) I think is a li'i (experience abstractor) case: P.C. po'o -remembers le li'i ri -marries D. kei be ri. That way we need no special machinery. (2) is just P.C. po'o -remembers le nu ri -marries D. -- Not to perambulate || John Cowan the corridors || http://www.reutershealth.com during the hours of repose || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan in the boots of ascension. \\ Sign in Austrian ski-resort hotel