From DoubleC@acc.co.nz Tue Aug 21 20:21:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: DoubleC@acc.co.nz X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 22 Aug 2001 03:21:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 71530 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2001 03:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Aug 2001 03:20:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webgw099.acc.org.nz) (203.167.220.2) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Aug 2001 03:20:51 -0000 Received: from MH_ACC099.acc.org.nz (not verified[10.99.5.50]) by webgw099.acc.org.nz with MailMarshal (4,0,9,0) id ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:26:20 +1200 Received: from ACC_DOM-Message_Server by MH_ACC099.acc.org.nz with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:18:33 +1200 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:18:30 +1200 To: , Subject: Re: [lojban] your rs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: "Chris Double" The letter 'r' is the letter of the alphabet that gives me the most trouble= . (It's not a New Zealand thing, btw, just a 'me' thing). They almost alway= s come out as almost a 'w'. So 'prami' sounds like 'pwami' where the 'w' is= like a mix of 'w' and 'r'. Very annoying for someone who has an 'r' in the= ir own name. I run a Taekwondo club in 'karori' which becomes a challenge t= o tell people where it is and have them understand sometimes! I also play '= Capoeira' where most terms are Portogeuse and a lot of the r's are pronounc= ed in ways I couldn't even dream of saying them. I tend to pronounce most o= f those r's as a soft 'd' instead (Cap-o-ei-da) Is it actually possible for a person who has trouble with that damned lette= r 'r', whether saying it normally, rolled or trilled, to learn to say it co= rrectly? Chris.