From jim@uazu.net Wed Aug 22 03:10:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jim@uazu.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 22 Aug 2001 10:10:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 85923 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2001 10:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2001 10:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.88) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Aug 2001 10:10:57 -0000 Received: from aguazul.demon.co.uk ([158.152.135.59] helo=tiger) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15ZUyL-00053t-0U for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:10:53 +0100 Received: from jim by tiger with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15ZUuz-0007l1-00 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:07:25 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:07:25 +0100 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] r's Message-ID: <20010822110725.A29809@uazu.net> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <86.e8a3713.28b3f28e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <86.e8a3713.28b3f28e@aol.com>; from pycyn@aol.com on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:21:18PM -0400 From: Jim Peters pycyn@aol.com wrote: > The only postvocalic r's that seem to be problematic in Lojban are the Broad > Brits (including those of the upper US), who try to get by with lengthening > and various odd congestions in the back of their throats (which they > regularly deny happens and sometimes does not), and really thorough uvular > French r's. The first ends up being just the vowel to many ears, the second > falls dangerously close to /x/ for people not too used to the real thing (and > even some who are). Trills, flaps and retroflex fricatives work best -- and > the last two make for easy syllabics. Well, if I fall under the category of "Broad Brit" (!?) maybe this explains why I couldn't make much sense of lojban `r' from an English perspective, and Spanish `r' feels so much more comfortable. Makes sense. Jim -- Jim Peters (_)/=\~/_(_) Uazú (_) /=\ ~/_ (_) jim@ (_) /=\ ~/_ (_) www. uazu.net (_) ____ /=\ ____ ~/_ ____ (_) uazu.net