Subject: Re: [lojban] Toward a {ce'u} record

From: And Rosta <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:07:31 +0100

>>> John Cowan <[email-masked]> 08/21/01 04:42pm >>>
#> (And then there's the contrast between:
#> 1. Only Prince Charles remembers marrying Diana (True]
#> 2. Only Prince Charles remembers him marrying Diana (False)
#> 
#> where in (2) a mere repeater anaphor is sufficient, while in (1)
#> we require (as the marrier sumti) something different and more
#> ce'u-like.)
#
#(1) I think is a li'i (experience abstractor) case: P.C. po'o
#-remembers le li'i ri -marries D. kei be ri. That way we need
#no special machinery.
#
#(2) is just P.C. po'o -remembers le nu ri -marries D.

Right enough, but let me change the examples, then.

1. Only John survived being KGB chief.
[all other chiefs got croaked]
2. Only Bill survived John being KGB chief
3. Only John survived John being KGB chief.

4. John heard himself burp and so did Bob.
[ambiguous: who did Bill hear burp?]

5. Sinatra enjoys singing and so does Bill.
[ambiguous: whose singing does Bill enjoy?]

The challenge is to capture the difference among 1-3 and
to paraphrase each reading of 4 & 5.

--And.