From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Wed Aug 22 12:11:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 22 Aug 2001 19:11:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 78208 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2001 19:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2001 19:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Aug 2001 19:05:47 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:44:07 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:10:59 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:10:25 +0100 To: cowan , nicholas Cc: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] ce'u Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta >>> John Cowan 08/19/01 03:43am >>> #I don't agree that li'i can have a ce'u: I think li'i is essentially #short for lifri le nu (note that le se lifri is an event). The rationale for li'i was an amputee's real experience of an unreal event. It creates an intensional context and hence is not really short for {lifri le nu}, though it could be short for something with a du'u argument, and meaning "have an experience as though x2 were true". --And.