From jcowan@reutershealth.com Wed Aug 22 14:44:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 22 Aug 2001 21:44:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 39952 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2001 21:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2001 21:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Aug 2001 21:42:08 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[192.168.3.11]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22680; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B8426F9.9010702@reutershealth.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:41:13 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010801 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nick NICHOLAS Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: status of ka (was Re: [lojban] x3 of du' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan Nick NICHOLAS wrote: > Looks baroque to me, but that doesn't count for much. So, if I say {le ka > xendo}, accordingly to this, I'm not speaking about being kind, or > receiving kindness, or being a standard for kindness, but some protean > kindness-thing which is the property of no single entity, but of every > entity involved. No, it is a relation (the 3-place relation between a kind person, a recipient of kindness, and a kind behavior). It is a reified predicate of arity 3, just as one-ce'u leka-clauses are reified predicates of arity 1. According to the all-ce'u view, anyway. > I still don't see how *every* place is ce'u, just like > *no* place is ce'u, is any different... from du'u. Not at all, but quite otherwise. A ledu'u-clause is a reified predicate of arity 0. > If we're going to blow up {le ka xendo} like this, I'd like > to know what precisely we're gaining. We are losing precision and gaining diddly. IMAO. -- Not to perambulate || John Cowan the corridors || http://www.reutershealth.com during the hours of repose || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan in the boots of ascension. \\ Sign in Austrian ski-resort hotel