From nicholas@uci.edu Wed Aug 22 17:26:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 23 Aug 2001 00:26:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 5823 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2001 00:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2001 00:26:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Aug 2001 00:26:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21613; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:26:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:26:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: RE: sts- [was: RE: [lojban] Brochure updates Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS cu'u la kreig. >I wasn't actually looking to learn an artificial language, but lojban seemed >to offer more than even any natural languages - and esperanto seemed like >another natural language that happened not to be natural. To a hell of a lot of people, of course, that naturalness of Esperanto is a feature, not a bug. That's their quite valid choice, and denigrating it is pointless: Lojban is not in competition with Esperanto, in any sane sense of the word. And buffer vowel or no buffer vowel, the fact that we can have clusters as crunchy as ml- and mr- and -rnl- in the first place means Lojban is hardly well-equipped for a urination competition with Esperanto. After all, who on earth would be primarily attracted to Lojban because of *euphony* --- and then not run screaming the first time they see a {ce'u}? >Question for Esperantists: Is a female eunuch a neutrino? (a) Esperanto tries to cut down on such ambiguity, and discourages it far more than natural languages, but hasn't eliminated it, and is under no pressing compulsion to. If you want Lojban... uh, looks like you already found it. :-) (b) {neuxtro} is {lo ka nutli}, not {lo nutli}; while {neuxtrino} could be construed as "female neutral", anyone who actually uses the language would insert the personal suffix -ul- first: {neuxtrulino}. ({Virgino} is not a counterexample, it is 'poetical', experimental, and daft.) So no, a female eunuch is not a neutrino. Joke won't work; sorry. Nicxjo Nicholas, diplomito de la Klereca Diplomo de la Auxstralia Esperanto-Asocio, kaj ekssekretario de la Junulara Auxstralia Grupo Esperantista. -- == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == Nick Nicholas, Breathing {le'o ko na rivbi fi'inai palci je tolvri danlu} nicholas@uci.edu -- Miguel Cervantes tr. Jorge LLambias