From brion@pobox.com Wed Aug 22 20:10:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: brion@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 23 Aug 2001 03:10:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 44569 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2001 03:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2001 03:10:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.123) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Aug 2001 03:10:01 -0000 Received: from there (209-162-44-230.thegrid.net [209.162.44.230]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA21972 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200108230309.UAA21972@swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: sts- [was: RE: [lojban] Brochure updates Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:12:45 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Brion L. VIBBER" Craig wrote: > Nonsensical? Flamewar? Not really. I was explaining my personal reasons for > not liking esperanto, NOT pushing others to not use it. Obliquely at best, and using very poor examples. From what you have written, my interpretation of your personal reasons as presented is: * You are not interested in artificial languages (except lojban, which you find to "offer more than any natural language" for unspecified reasons), and consider Esperanto as being essentially a natural language. * You are only interested in languages which are fully ASCII-compatible (such as lojban), or else specifically supported by Microsoft Word. ISO standard character sets and widely available 3rd party software, apparently, aren't good enough. * You are only interested in languages with complete morphological unambiguity (such as lojban). * You like to be allowed to insert vowels into any consonant cluster, not just at morpheme boundaries. Needless to say, this predisposes you to lojban. As Nick said, congratulations, you've found it! :) Which is fine, however... If *all* you're interested in in a language is ASCII orthography and unambiguous morphology, then perhaps these are valid concerns, but I'd be very surprised if *nothing* else interests you about lojban -- the mysterous something that lojban "offer[s]". And if so, then that whatever-it-is must be missing from Esperanto for you. Nobody gives up a language because they were too lazy to install a keyboard driver -- they give it up because it doesn't interest them enough to learn and use it. I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from, here... > At least I didn't bring out the old line about Mr. Wo's wife. (He left her > because she was a wino.) Snork! That's a good one... relies on a horrible English or American accent if you speak it aloud though. :) -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)