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* ''other borderline examples?''
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+ botpi = se gacri<br />----
cilre tadni ctuca
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''In popular literary acceptation, and as employed in special dictionaries of such words, synonyms are words sufficiently alike in general signification to be liable to be confounded, but yet so different in special definition as to require to be distinguished.'' --G. P. Marsh.
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It would be nice to provide each of the gismu clusters below with an advice on good usage
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__se papri | cukta | se tcidu | datni__
[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/9717|A recent proposal] by ((Nick Nicholas)): ''se papri < cukta < se tcidu < datni''
The proposal is retracted, but the fine semantics of these gismu is obviously something that should be made explicit ''(and probably has been :-( : [http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9402/msg00081.html])''
*Is a blank notebook a ''cukta'', a ''se tcidu'' or a ''datni''?
*Is a pictures only book a ''se tcidu'' or a ''datni''?
*Is a text of random words a ''datni''?
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__klama | muvdu | litru__
''klama'' has all the places of ''muvdu'' plus x5 for vehicle, hence ''klama < muvdu''.
''litru'' lacks places for destination and origin, hence ''klama < litru'' __surely this should be the other way around? mi'e filip.__
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__nelci | se pluka | prami| se dirba__
''prami'' differs from others in greater degree of emotional attachment. By the way, is there any difference between ''prami'' and ''se dirba''?
''se pluka'', compared to ''nelci'', has the place x3 'under conditions'. is there any reasonable way to make it work?
*there is also ''melbi'' which is similar to ''pluka''. We need to do more thorough work on this cluster --najrut
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__drata | frica__
roda rode zo'u le du'u da de frica cu nibli le du'u da de drata
ijeku'i le du'u da de drata na nibli le du'u da de frica
i mu'a ''lo djacu dirgo na frica lo drata''
''drata'' = 'another' (not the same one), opposite to ''mintu''
''frica'' = 'different' (not of the same kind), opposite to ''dunli''
see [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/1954
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__mintu] | dunli__
''mintu'' = same, identical, opposite to ''drata''
''dunli'' = of the same kind, opposite to ''frica''
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__pikta | jaspu__
Are the following ''pikta'' or ''jaspu'' (or neither):
* foreign passport
* driver's licence
* a university's diploma
* marriage certificate
* credit card
* ''other borderline examples?''
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__molki | fanri__
The gismu definition list says: '''molki'', unlike ''fanri'', need not produce a product'. However, even the prototypical grain mill for ''molki'' can be argued to produce flour from grain. Maybe ''molki'' puts more stress on processing/treatment rather than producing something radically different. But where does the border lie?
Are the following ''molki'' or ''fanri'' (or neither):
* grain mill
* foundry
* oil station
* hairdresser's saloon
* tattoo studio
* tailor's workshop
* ''other borderline examples?''
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botpi = se gacri
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cilre tadni ctuca
bacru tavla casnu cusku skicu
cpacu lebna te dunda=terdu'a
frati spuda
notci pinka xatra
zgana catlu viska
karce marce carce
gasnu rinka bapli zukte
mokca jipno
flecu rirxe
djuno krici fatci
krefu rapli
mukti krinu nibli rinka
simla simsu __should this be ''simlu simsa''? mi'e filip__
sanmi cidja se citka
dertu terdi gugde tutra tumla
tricu mudri
pagbu spisa
palta palne
sraku guska katna
grasu matne
ganse sanji
ratni kantu selci
jdari tinsa sligu ranti ralci
parbi frinu
cenba galfi stika
curve jinsa
tabno kolme
bancu ragve sepli (se ragve=te sepli?)
ckana matci kicne
dargu klaji
zbasu finti
xamgu zabna
xlali palci ?mabla
zbepi tsina ?matci ?ckana
cabra minji tutci
jivbu nivji
burna cfipu ?xanka ?badri
badri dunku
xanka burna
manci spaji jenca
fanza raktu cfipu ?xanka
rigni xebni
cnano fadni kampu
bandu snura
bebna fenki cizra
nupre kajde
stidi friti
kucli | se cinri
xajmi zdile
zungi xenru
pikci cpedu
vecnu ve jdima = veldi'a
pruce te cupra = terpra
damba jamna
turni | se tutra
xabju | se zdani
ckini srana
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