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I prefer 's to ,s anyway, and it seems un-Lojbanically superfluous to have both characters with such similar usages. People can use them if they want, but I hope , doesn't become the standard. --((UserPagePlasticRaven|Plastic Raven))
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+ CLL 3.9:
+ ^A Lojban word has __one__ syllable for each of its vowels, __diphthongs__, and syllabic consonants <...>^
+ The word {ai} has one syllable with a diphthong in its core. Therefore it is illegal to insert comma in it. -- tengo




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The CLL's comments on comma break audio-visual isomorphism.  Chapter 3, section 3:



^The comma is used to indicate a syllable break within a word, generally one that is not obvious to the reader. Such a comma is written to separate syllables, but indicates that there must be no pause between them, in contrast to the period. Between two vowels, a comma indicates that some type of glide may be necessary to avoid a pause that would split the two syllables into separate words. It is always legal to use the apostrophe (IPA [h]) sound in pronouncing a comma. However, a comma cannot be pronounced as a pause or glottal stop between the two letters separated by the comma, because that pronunciation would split the word into two words.



Otherwise, a comma is usually only used to clarify the presence of syllabic ``l'', ``m'', ``n'', or ``r'' (discussed later). Commas are never required: no two Lojban words differ solely because of the presence or placement of a comma.^



If this is true, then {.a,i} and {.ai} are the same word ("no two Lojban words differ solely because of the presence or placement of a comma") but {.a,i} can be pronounced like {.a'i} ("It is always legal to use the apostrophe (IPA [h]) sound in pronouncing a comma").



Both of this things cannot be true unless we restrict where , can go.



-Robin



* My suggestion is to do away with either one or both of __"no two Lojban words differ solely because of the presence or placement of a comma"__ and __"It is always legal to use the apostrophe (IPA [h]) sound in pronouncing a comma"__, preferably the former, because in my mind "ah EE" {.a,i} is not the same as "I" {.ai}, but "ah EE" {.a,i} and "ahEE" {.a'i} are. - .aionys.



My view is the opposite: that pronouncing , as ' is bogus and shouldn't be allowed.  --cowan



I prefer 's to ,s anyway, and it seems un-Lojbanically superfluous to have both characters with such similar usages. People can use them if they want, but I hope , doesn't become the standard. --((UserPagePlasticRaven|Plastic Raven))



CLL 3.9:

^A Lojban word has __one__ syllable for each of its vowels, __diphthongs__, and syllabic consonants <...>^

The word {ai} has one syllable with a diphthong in its core. Therefore it is illegal to insert comma in it. -- tengo


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