Re: [bpfk] type-3 fu'ivla with different kinds of rafsi

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> According to the Book, a type-3 fu'ivla can be made with a rafsi of form CCV,
> CVC, CVCC, or CCVC.

Or even CVV. It doesn't say anything different for CCV and CVV, only
that they may not be safe: "It is only safe to use a 4-letter rafsi;
short rafsi sometimes produce invalid fu'ivla." And then later:
"Alternatively, if a CVC-form short rafsi is available it can be used
instead of the long rafsi." So at the very least it discourages the
use of CCV- and CVV-.

> AFAIK, some of us (including me) consider fu'ivla of the
> form CCVrCV... or CCVnrV... to be of type 4. Looking through jbovlaste, I
> found one of that form: "plargoni", which means not some kind of planner but
> a geranium. There's another one, "turdunu" (bullroarer, from some Aboriginal
> language), which I made up originally as "turndunu" but changed
> because "turndunu" is a type-3. jbofi'e considers "plargoni" to be of type 4.
> Should CCV rafsi be disallowed in type-3 fu'ivla?

Both CCV and CVV.

> Also, it should be stated clearly that if a type-3 fu'ivla can be interpreted
> as starting with a CVC or CVCC rafsi, it is interpreted as starting with a
> CVCC rafsi. Otherwise some combinations of gismu and foreign part cannot be
> turned into a type-3 fu'ivla.

I would require the body of the fu'ivla (the part after the hyphen) to
start with a valid initial, and then that kind of ambiguity can never
arise.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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