Re: [bpfk] BAhE + BU

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Riley Martinez-Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:

The BPFK pages for "nonce connectives" and "lerfu forming cmavo" seem to indicate that {ba'e bu} should not form a letteral. 

 

However, "nonce connectives" also includes this example:

ko pensi me'o depsna bu .e me'o ba'e bu

Think about "hesitation sound", and the emphasis letter.

 The parsers are also at odds: YACC and jbofihe reject {ba'e bu}, and camxes accepts it.

There were a lot of comings and goings with this, and nothing is officially decided yet. Personally, I think the example and camxes are correct and the definitions have to be adapted.

My reasoning is that BAhE is not a "magic word" (by which I mean words that grab other words without much caring to what selma'o they belong), and magic words have priority over ordinary grammar rules. zo, bu, zei, lo'u, zoi, si don't care much or at all about the word class of the word they operate on, they just ignore its class and eliminate its usual function. BAhE on the other hand is like UI, it can attach to practically any word, but it leaves that word's function alone. That's why the grammars are so different, magic words just have their own spefific rule, whereas BAhE and UI have to show up in the core rules of practically all other words.

The issue is relatively minro though, since I think it only affects "BAhE bu", "BAhE zei ...." and "BAhE si".

I assume that whatever is true for {ba'e bu} is also true for {za'e bu}, but I'm confused by the seemingly contradictory statements that {za'e} is "grammatically identical to za'e" and yet "for grammatical purposes, {za'e} binds with and marks the following word". It would seem that whatever it means to "bind" the following word, it's not a grammatically significant operation, since {ba'e} and {za'e} differ in that aspect.

The wording should be unified. BAhE doesn't change the function of the word it attaches to, much like UI.   

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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