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Re: [bpfk] {gunma}, {selcmi} and gadri definitions



On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com> wrote:

As far as I know, gunma2 and cmima1 are non-exhaustive, in other words they do not necessarily show all the members of gunma1 and cmima2 respectively. (Correct me if I'm wrong!)

 My understanding is that gunma2 is exhaustive (it's non-distributive). cmima1 is distributive, therefore not exhaustive.
 
So, I think the BPFK should make an official decision on whether {loi broda}/{lo'i broda} might include things that do not broda among their referents, and clarify the formal definitions accordingly if necessary.

My understanding is that they may not, but I stopped caring much one way or the other since I stopped using loi/lo'i. The intended definitions are with exhaustive gunma2 and selcmi2.
 
I would expect them to never include things that do not broda. If so, the definition should probably be modified as shown below:

• loi [PA] broda  =  lo gunma be lo [PA] broda .e no drata be ri

Not necessary with my understanding of "gunma". But there is another issue, whether "loi" really should be "lo gunma", i.e. it introduces a new entity distinct from its members, or whether it is just all the se gunma that will serve as an argument of some selbri collectively. Giving a full formal explanation of the latter is more difficult.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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