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[bpfk] {gunma}, {selcmi} and gadri definitions



coi me BPFK

Below are the formal definitions of the {l•i}/{l•'i} gadri, as they can be found on the BPFK gadri page:

loi [PA] broda      lo gunma be lo [PA] broda
lei [PA] broda      lo gunma be le [PA] broda
lai [PA] broda      lo gunma be la [PA] broda
loi PA sumti        lo gunma be lo PA sumti
lei PA sumti        lo gunma be le PA sumti
lai PA sumti        lo gunma be la PA sumti

lo'i [PA] broda     lo selcmi be lo [PA] broda
le'i [PA] broda     lo selcmi be le [PA] broda
la'i [PA] broda     lo selcmi be la [PA] broda
lo'i PA sumti       lo selcmi be lo PA sumti
le'i PA sumti       lo selcmi be le PA sumti
la'i PA sumti       lo selcmi be la PA sumti


Now, here is a quote from "gadri: an unofficial commentary from a logical point of view", section 3:

According to jbovlaste, {selcmi} is defined as follows:

x1 selcmi x2        =ca'e        x1 se cmima ro lo me x2 me'u e no lo na me x2

If we accept this definition, a set referred to by {lo'i/le'i/la'i}-sumti consists of only the referent of {lo/le/la [PA] broda} or {lo/le/la PA sumti}. Contrastively, if we define it as {selcmi}={se cmima}, the set may include what is/are other than the referent of {lo/le/la [PA] broda} or {lo/le/la PA sumti}. It is not yet officially determined which interpretation is to be accepted.


As far as I know, gunma2 and cmima1 are non-exhaustive, in other words they do not necessarily show all the members of gunma1 and cmima2 respectively. (Correct me if I'm wrong!)

I don't like very much the idea of using the sel- rafsi in a non-compositional way, for making lujvo of the form {selbroda} whose meaning cannot be derived from {se broda}. It seems there's a pretty wide implicit agreement that the sel/ter/vel/xel rafsi should be regular (semantically compositional).

So, I think the BPFK should make an official decision on whether {loi broda}/{lo'i broda} might include things that do not broda among their referents, and clarify the formal definitions accordingly if necessary.

I would expect them to never include things that do not broda. If so, the definition should probably be modified as shown below:

• loi [PA] broda  =  lo gunma be lo [PA] broda .e no drata be ri
• lo'i [PA] broda  =  lo se cmima be lo [PA] broda .e no drata be ri

What do you think?

mu'o mi'e la .ilmen.


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