On Saturday, October 25, 2014 at 3:07 PM, And Rosta wrote:
This discussion seems if not nonsensical then at least not very sensical.What is the evidence that Lojban allows syllables other than CV?I'm not saying there isn't any, but it's not obvious what it is. The (regrettable) existence of minimal pairs /Cia/:/Ciia/ seems to imply CGV syllables, and the (regrettable) existence of minimal pairs /aiC/:/aiiC/ seems to imply CVG syllables. But is there any other sort of syllable?These morphophonological constraints on Lojban words seem to involve something other than syllables -- specifically a morphophonological entity rather than (as the syllable is) a phonological one. Once you get out of phonology and into morphophonology, notions of naturalness and crosslinguistic tendencies become less pertinent. So the morphophonological rules can be as weird and wacky as you like; tho without good reason, why would you want them to be?But if Lojban syllabification is essentially CV (or simplex onset + simplex nucleus), give or take any complications with glides, why bother with a bunch of morphophonological constraints? Is it just because they are codified in CLL (albeit in erroneously phonological terms) and therefore cannotbe abandoned? Would abandoning morphophonological constraints invalidate existing words or text?I should add, btw, that even if you wanted to push the IMO untenable analysis of the buffer vowel being anaptyctic, it would be even more implausible to argue that anaptyxis occurs within a syllabic constituent, so either the way the buffer vowel diagnoses syllable structure.--And.Jorge Llambías, On 25/10/2014 16:46:On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 12:36 PM, John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org <mailto:cowan@mercury.ccil.org>> wrote:Jorge Llambías scripsit:> artmxozaiko> kaktnxo> mastlxaetc. etc.These words are far worse than their x-less equivalents. Better to reformulatethe grammar to allow art-mo-zai-ko.I see that as a feature, not a problem. The syllable "-art-" may look fine to English speakers, but it's unlojbanic, lojban only allows single consonant codas. "ar,tm,xo,zai,ko" is horrible, of course, consonantal syllables should be avoided. Why not better make it "larmozaiko"?mu'o mi'e xorxes--You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.