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Re: [bpfk] Re: FA as a TAG (Was: One cannot refer to inner nodes in Lojban PEG)





Le vendredi 10 avril 2015 08:56:56 UTC+9, xorxes a écrit :


So "citkrfa" means something like "x1 is the eater in x2", "citkrfe" means "x1 is what gets eaten in x2", and so on. Then I think "du'u" does make sense:

citkrfa: x1 is that which proposition x2 claims eats.
citkrfe: x1 is that which proposition x2 claims is eaten.

Events could also make sense:

citkrfa: x1 is what eats when x2 happens.
citkrfe: x1 is what is eaten when x2 happens.

Or a property:

citkrfa: x1 eats when it has property x2
citkrfe: x1 is eaten when it has property x2


I want to avoid using {du'u} for the following reason.

a formulation like

> citkrfa: x1 is that which proposition x2 claims eats. ......F1

makes sense, but is not suitable for the interpretation of

fa ko'a citka ko'e === fi'o citkrfa ko'a citka ko'e ......S1

which is derived from what la_tsani stated. 
F1 brings an ambiguity of interpretation that is shared with {fi'o citka be ko'e ko'a} or any BAI/{fi'o fe'u}-structure. 
Formulation with {nu} or any other cmavo of NU that does not take {ce'u} as an argument will produce the same ambiguity. 

sa'unai Accoding to F1, a statement

ko'a citkrfa lo du'u ko'a citka ko'e ......S2

fixes the proposition {ko'a citka ko'e}: 
referents of {ko'a} and {ko'e} are fixed respectively. 
Then, a statement {fi'o citkrfa ko'a citka ko'e} does not necessarily signify the same proposition as {ko'a citka ko'e} in S2. 
The former signifies a proposition that ko'a who eats ko'e is involved in a proposition that zo'e eats ko'e. 
An interpretation of ko'a!=zo'e makes sense when a tapeworm eats things eaten by the host, for example.

This ambiguity of interpretation comes from fixing the proposition in x2 of
{citkrfa}.

In order to make S1 always true, x2 of {citkrfa} should not be a proposition but an open sentence, which leaves one place be free for use in any other statement, and fixes referents of the other arguments to the same as the proposition intended. 
Then, when {fi'o citkrfa ko'a} appears in a statement, we can have a consistent interpretation that {ko'a} occupies the free place of the open sentence, and this occupation brings a proposition intended.

The reasonable English translation of definition of {brodrfV} that satisfies

x1 brodrfV lo ka fV ce'u broda <=> broda fV x1 

would be:

x1 brings a proposition by satisfying a formula stated in {ka}-clause.

mu'o

 

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