Re: [bpfk] Re: official cmavo form

On Thursday, April 09, 2015 17:45:49 mukti wrote:
> I made a provisional update to camxes-py to use v134 BPFK morphology
> <http://tiki.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+PEG+Morphology+Algorithm>. If
> this change is deployed, it will be necessary to invalidate 462 words
> currently in jbovlaste, principally 416 fu'ivla. It looks like most of the
> words would be invalidated based on the prohibition against CgV
> (consonant-glide-vowel), although there may also be some effect from the
> changes in v132 and v133. Please review these changes, and let me know if I
> should proceed to update vlatai and mark the following words as obsolete.
>
> *Experimental cmavo (3):*
>
> cia'o'e
> jie'e'e
> xua'ai
>
> *Zei lujvo (3):*
>
> jgitrviolino zei konceto
> jgitrviolono zei konceto
> pipnrpiano zei konceto
>
> *Cmevla (50):*
>
> Indias

baryt, xingug

> LIEtuvas
> alionas
> anastasi,as
> arTIOM
> bie,uaRUC

belarus, blabruk

> brazilias
> buenosaires

bonosaires?

> cinJIAN
> ckiipyris

ckipyris, ctipyris

> darias
> djiotis
> djunguos

jugygug

> fiodor
> guaspis
> guonJAUS
> ievgenias
> ilIAS
> italian
> italias
> iulias
> ksenias
> kuadragesim
> kuadril
> lidias
> lietuvos
> lilias
> liuBOF
> liudmilas
> loglytuan
> masKUAS

moskov

> nu,orlins

nu'orlins?

> piotyr
> seMION
> sferies
> siudadeMExikos
> soviet

sofyt

> sueri,es
> suomen
> suomis

su'omen

> tatianas
> tenguar
> tienjin
> tokios
> tuityr
> uikipedias
> ulianas
> valerias
> viktorias
> zimbabues

zimbabus?

>
> *Fu'ivla (416):*
>
>
> abniena
> alminiu
> amnio
> amniota

These should syllabize as "a,mn,io" and "a,mn,io,ta", right?

I suggested this when we were discussing the CGV prohibition, but we decided to go with a strict version where this isn't allowed either. {amniio} "am,NI,io" and {amniiota} "am,ni,IO,ta" are good though.

> anmonia
> artmozaiko
> asnrlatna
> asnrtarbi
> atkuila
> badnrgrute
> baknrzebu

What's wrong with these two? There's no CGV in them. "bad,nr,gru,te" and
"bak,nr,ze,bu".

I agree. These parse in my local camxes. Can you look into this, mukti?

> bangrgogurio
> bangrlietuva
> bangrnaidjiria
> bangrtalia
> bangrturkie
> bangrvietnama
> bergamia
> bianfu
> bilmrtuberkulosi
> biorka
> bolrbliardo
> bombiksia
> braxiura

Isn't this "brax,iu,ra"?

Same as above with *{amnio}.

> brevia
> bruneleskia
> campania
> catnrpepiskopo

What's wrong with this?

I don't know. mukti, can you debug this one as well?

> ciblrmoru
> cibrfiorso
> ciencia
> cionmau

ciionmau

tosmabru: {ci ionmau}

> cipnrdodo
> cipnrdromai
> cipnrfalko
> cipnrfasani
> cipnrkanario
> cipnrkorvo
> cipnrkuku
> cipnrlaridei
> cipnrlori
> cipnrpaseru
> cipnrpika

These all seem fine to me (and my camxes branch).

> cipnrsagitariidai
> cipnrsikonia
> cipnrstrutio
> cipnrxirundo
> cipnrxororni
> cipnrxuazine
> cirlnrokforte
> cirlnxiogluto
> cirlrbri
> cirlrceda
> cirlrfeta
> cirlrgorgonzola
> cirlrkamumberti
> cirlrmozarela
> cirlrpanira
> cirlrparmaregio
> cirlrpreste
> cirlrstilto
> cirlrxalumi
> cirlrxauda
> cistrxaioliano
> cistrxioniano
> ckabrceratonia
> ckabrkacia
> ckafruiski
> ckankua
> clevalua
> cmavrui
> cpirepiorni
> cpirkasuari
> crenzue
> crimpui
> dansrtuistu
> dasrngeko
> datnrzbaselpla
> debrceratonia
> dianzi
> djaguara

This shouldn't be a problem.

Same as above.

> djanua
> djekuole
> djulio
> djunio
> e'urfausiace'a
> enrio

If this is the unit of inductance, I thought it was "enri".

> ensiklopedia
> eskua
> februa
> fiakre
> fiesta
> finprsinxnatfidai
> finprsinxnatfinai
> fiorso
> fipnrpetoikti
> fipnrprotopteru
> fiprge'otria
> fiprkaspiomizo
> fiprlatimeria
> fiprmia
> fiprmordacia
> fiprntosfenu
> fiprpoliodo
> fortepiano
> frangia
> frebuari

febvari

> gamguata
> gondii'i
> gonduana
> grandiosa
> grirmafia
> grutraxuakatlu
> guanci
> gugdrgogurio
> gugdrnaidjiria
> gugdrtalia
> gugdrturkie
> gugdrvietnama
> gurnrbulguru
> gurnrtefi

what's wrong with this?

> guzmrkukurbita

kurbita

> ikfio
> imperia
> influenza
> isxia
> itkuile
> jatnrpapa
> jbokuile
> jdotfrakio
> jgitrviolino
> jinmrberilo
> jinmrkromi
> jinmrniobi
> jinmrplati
> jinmrtitani
> jinmrtuli
> jinmrxafni
> jisrnxananase
> jivnlragbi
> jivnrfarzu'e
> juknrfalangida
> jvalrio
> jvinjiata
> jvisiupaco
> jvisuai
> ka'urkuarka
> kamrngogolo
> kamxelio
> kansiona
> kansione
> klaktno
> klanrniut,ni
> klanrxuati
> klesnregio
> klirniodi
> klombia
> kloviano
> koblrsinapi
> kompanio
> konservatoria
> krakoziabra
> krilrkuartso
> krilui
> ku'ursekuoia
> kuadranta
> kuaidzi
> kuardicka'u
> kuardo
> kuargo
> kuarka
> kuinke

konkaku

> kulnrfarsi
> kulnrlietuva
> kulnrnorge
> kulnrnorgo
> kulnrsfe'enska
> kulnrtai
> kulnrturkie
> kulnrturko
> kulnrxirani
> kumtrguanako
> kumtrvikunia
> kunrkuartso
> latmnroma
> latmrbizanto
> latmrfriko
> latmrstici
> lengua
> lesrxapsurdie
> liante
> lianzi
> lingua
> liunko
> luodna

lu'odna

> mabrnfuru
> madjio

magjome

> malminiata

"mal,min,ia,ta". What's wrong? (besides getting bitten by one, of course)

Same as above.

> mandioka
> martio

martime

> mastla
> matnrmiristika
> matriocka
> maxrnspelta
> mianma

amranma

> mitxondrio

I'm pretty sure I asked how this one is allowed and xorxes answered that it's
allowed because "dr" is a syllable.

Same as above.

> mivrlge
> mlatrmiau
> mudrguiborti
> mudrkacia
> mudrnsia
> mustlei
> nargrkaria
> navnlrado

dircynavni

> navnrkripto

mipnavni

> navnrxeno

ciznavni

> niengatu
> nimrnlatifolia
> nimrnlimone
> nimrnxaurantifolia
> niutni
> nuansa
> pamjiarkovni
> pamniarkovni
> patriarko
> peizlemustiei
> pipnrpiano
> plagueni
> plesio
> postmo
> prilio

prilime

> prokioni

arxokuna, lumge'u, but what's wrong with it?

> purmrderi
> randietumla
> ranmrdrakono
> rartni
> rasrmiletia
> ratcnrodentia
> reksornitfisxia
> reksrsaurisxia
> reskuamata
> restuatara
> ricrbau'inia
> ricrceratonia
> ricrdalbergia
> ricrgleditsia
> ricrgosueilerodendro
> ricrguiborti
> ricrkacia
> ricrkasia
> ricrko'ompasia
> ricrlbizi
> ricrmakia
> ricrmiletia
> ricrnsia
> ricrparaseriante
> rontnrodentia
> rozrpimpinelifolia
> rozrvirginia
> runtngasnrproni
> rutrceratonia
> rutrkacia
> samcrniame
> samcrpediomelu
> samcrtigridia
> samrsekiurceli
> sanduici
> sanguisuga
> sargueia
> saskrkuarka
> selterselxeliumadbro
> silxuete
> skorpio
> skunkua
> slinkui

valsrslinku'i

> smanrpapio
> snanorio
> sodnlrubidi
> sodnrcesi
> sodnrfransi
> sodnrkali
> sodnrlito
> sparalistremeria
> sparanselia
> sparartemisia
> sparbaptisia
> sparbarkeria
> sparbifrenaria
> sparblandifordia
> sparblomeria
> sparbobgunia
> sparbrasia
> spardalia
> spardasilirio
> spardendrosenecio
> spardikorinia
> spardo'elingeria
> spardrimia
> sparekuisetu
> sparflaveria
> sparfresia
> spargimnadenia
> spargladiolu
> sparglebioni
> spargloriosa
> spargodiera
> sparguari'ante
> sparionakti
> sparkaliandra
> sparkamasia
> sparkaprifoliace'ai
> sparkenedia
> sparknipofia
> sparkonvalaria
> sparkrokosmia
> sparkumerovia
> sparlapeirusia
> sparle'opoldia
> sparledeboria
> sparlelia
> sparleliokatli'a
> sparliatri
> sparlibertia
> sparligularia
> sparliriope
> sparmadevalia
> sparmaksilaria
> sparmiltasia
> sparmiltonia
> sparmiltoniopsi
> sparmolineria
> sparne'ofinetia
> sparne'otia
> sparneptunia
> sparnoktomeria
> sparnribia

There's no gismu, experimental or not, on which this fu'ivla can be based.

> sparnrinkolelia
> sparnrosioglosu
> sparnrudbekia
> sparpafiopedilu
> sparpapilionante
> sparparasenekio
> sparparkinsonia
> sparpediomelu
> sparpu'eraria
> sparpulikaria
> sparsagitaria
> sparsanseviera
> sparsenekio
> sparspasia
> sparsueinsona
> spartelekia
> spartigridia
> spartolumnia
> spartritonia
> spartunia
> sparuisteri
> sparuvularia
> sparxiacintu
> spatriksia
> spatrnakardiace
> spatrsprekelia
> spatrxapio
> spinacia
> srasrnrupia
> stanruasabi
> stepmania
> strutione
> suenska
> suomne

su'omne

> tabrntromba
> tabrnvuvuzela
> tarmrsilondre
> tarnfornjiutkau
> tceriomuxa
> tcikonia
> tcikuadranta
> tcokotie
> tiatro
> tiotka
> tirxriubatu
> tricrafselia
> tsaprguinense
> tuitsku
> tujrxomeria
> tumrzilandia
> uitkipedia
> venzla
> versio
> vibnrbarpinji
> vikmrvespasianu
> vikrceratonia
> violbasu
> violna
> violni
> violtcelo
> virtuale
> xagrnklarineto
> xagrnsaksofono
> xaslrkianga
> xipfne
> xirngrevii

xirngrevi

> xirnkuaga

xirnburxeli?

> xriniakci
> xrisrbiblia
> xuandi
> xubrnre'u
> xubrnrumeksa
> xumrsueinsona
> zarziei
> zduriane
> zgikrkumbia
> zgirkumbia
> zinkenxamburgiei
> zu'erxiolo
> zukmiai

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