RE: [jboske] RE: Re: lo'edu'u

["And Rosta" <a.rosta@lycos.co.uk>]

Lojbab:
> Not following the discussion, but seeing something familiar fly by .. 
> 
> At 06:03 PM 12/11/02 +0000, And Rosta wrote:
> >It seems to me that we can establish a number of distinct
> >epistemological frameworks within which communication is
> >viable 
> >
> >1. The speaker claims that p is true only within a certain worldview
> >(which the addressee can comprehend) 
> >2. The speaker claims that p is true only within a certain worldview
> >(which the addressee can comprehend) and that the worldview should
> >be shared by people in general 
> >3. The speaker claims that p is true only within a certain worldview
> >(which the addressee can comprehend) and that the worldview is
> >be shared by people in general 
> >4. The speaker claims that p is true only within a certain worldview
> >(which the addressee can comprehend) and that the worldview is and
> >should be shared by people in general 
> >5. The speaker claims that there is such a thing as objective reality
> >and that p is true of objective reality 
> >
> >(When I say "claim", feel free to read "presuppose" where it seems
> >more appropriate.)
> 
> I think the worldview aspect of 1-4 is carried by ka'u. 

I can't perceive any connection between ka'u and 1-4. 

>I don't know why 
> Lojban needs to support all the "should be shared" stuff. 

If people care about it enough then they can create an appropriate
set of UI cmavo. 

> Claims about other people and what they believe are not knowable 
> without omniscience, 

I don't understand quite what you mean, but I don't want to get into
a discussion about what is knowable, and I will simply argue against
anybody who argues that Lojban has to subscribe to a particular
theory of epistemology.

> and Lojban has for the most part avoided speakers speaking other than for 
> themselves except with the empathy attitudinal 

Again, I'm not sure quite what you mean.

The question is, if I utter the jufra "broda", exactly what speech
act am I performing? Without explicit UI in the sentence, I think 
the answer should be as vague as possible, and certainly shouldn't
be some act highly specified within a particular epistemological
model.

--And.