Re: RE: [jboske] individuation and masses (was: RE: mass, group,MrThing(was: RE: loi'e = loi ?

[Adam Raizen <araizen@cs.huji.ac.il>]

de'i li 2002-12-19 ti'u li 13:21:00 la'o zoi. And Rosta .zoi cusku di'e

>* le/lo forces a countable interpretation
>* the gadri for Substance forces an uncountable interpretation
>* IMO, the gadri for Collective forces a countable interpretation

another message:

>> What I am really saying here though, which nobody is addressing, is 
>> that we should reserve mass-gadri for collectives. And disambiguate 
>> collectives from substances, because they are very different things 
>
>I think it is premature. We should first agree on the distinctions
>and conflations we want to make. Then we can discuss how to make
>them.

I haven't read as many of the messages about this as I should have, but
anyway, if loi/lei are to be used for collectives, as some have suggested
(and I agree), then the default quantifier should be changed to be
a natural number, instead of a fraction. It's sensible to talk about two
collectives of people, so if 'loi prenu' is a collective of people, then
're loi prenu' should be two collectives of people.

mu'o mi'e .adam.