RE: [jboske] Re: Unique == Misterhood? (was: lo'e gadri: can we convergetowards aresolution?

["And Rosta" <a.rosta@lycos.co.uk>]

Lojbab:
> At 03:15 PM 12/20/02 +0000, And Rosta wrote:
> >xorxes:
> > > la djan cusku di'e
> > > >Jordan DeLong scripsit:
> > > > > But "le djacu" *can* refer to any amount of water. "lei djacu" is
> > > > > a lojbanmass of those individual amounts. A single "le djacu" is
> > > > > only a mass in the english sense of "mass nouns" and whatnot
> > > > >
> > > > > So, if I have 3 bottles of water, they can be individually "le
> > > > > djacu" or massively "lei djacu". Likewise, if I'm talking about
> > > > > the 7 oceans, they can be individually "le ze djacu" or 
> lojbanmassively
> > > > > "lei ze djacu"
> > > >
> > > >I agree with every word of this
> > >
> > > We all do, I think. Perhaps And will object to "'le djacu'
> > > is a mass in the english sense of 'mass nouns'" 
> >
> >Yes, and so should John and Lojbab. A mass in the english sense of
> >'mass nouns' is uncountable. Substance-gadri are supposed to refer
> >to uncountables and Invididual-gadri are supposed to refer to
> >countables. ('refer' used in nontechnical sense)
> 
> Whether a substance is countable or not depends on how you refer to it. 
> In Lojban, all brodas are both countable in the sense of "persons" and 
> non-countable in the sense of "people", and you distinguish which you 
> intend by the choice of gadri 

I read this as agreement.

--And.