RE: [jboske] putative tense scope effects (was: RE: Concrete examples ofLlamban lo'e

["And Rosta" <a.rosta@lycos.co.uk>]

xorxes:
> la and cusku di'e
> 
> >Certainly there is a difference between
> >
> > There is a man such that all week it has been the case
> > that John hits him 
> >
> > All week it has been the case that there is a man that John hits 
> >=At no time during the week has it been false that there is a man
> > that John hits 
> >
> >I would have thought that
> >
> > la djan cu darxi lo nanmu ze'a le jeftu
> > la djan cu darxi ze'a le jeftu lo nanmu
> >
> >would respectively be the ways to express the two meanings. But I may
> >be wrong -- afaik, this precise point has never been discussed before 
> 
> I think that is not the way. I think {ze'a} refers to a single
> interval and not to all points in an interval as points 
> To get that we have {roroi}:
> 
> la djan cu darxi lo nanmu roroi le jeftu
> There is a man such that John hits him every
> time during the week 
> 
> la djan cu darxi roroi le jeftu lo nanmu
> Every time during the week, there is a man that
> John hits 
> 
> But {ze'a} should be a singular term 

Okay, but then you wrote:

> la djan cu darxi lo nanmu ze'a lo jetfu
> 
> CLL reading:
> 
> su'o da poi nanmu zo'u (la djan cu darxi da ze'a lo jetfu)
> There is at least one man x such that: (John hits x all week) 
> 
> xod's reading:
> 
> (su'o da poi nanmu zo'u la djan cu darxi da) ze'a lo jeftu
> (There is at least one man that John hits) that happens all week 
> 
> [xod's] reading is what I want to say. I don't want to say that any
> single man was hit all week, John may have hit a different man each
> day, for example. But the CLL reading with {lo} says that at
> least one of the men was hit all week. 

So what is the difference between your and my versions?

--And.