Re: [jboske] e-gadri & utility of lo'ei (was: RE: RE: Re: lo'e

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

la and cusku di'e

> lo'ei broda = lo'ei lu'a lo'i broda
> le'ei broda = lo'ei lu'a le'i broda
>
> loi'e broda = loi'e lu'a lo'i broda
> lei'e broda = loi'e lu'a le'i broda
>
> su'o lo broda = lo lu'a lo'i broda
> su'o le broda = lo lu'a le'i broda
>
> ro lo broda = ro lo lu'a lo'i broda
> ro le broda = ro lo lu'a le'i broda

I agree with the spirit of all of these, but unfortunately
they are ungrammatical, as LE cannot take a sumti directly
the way LAhE does. However, it can take a quantified sumti,
so to fix them, just replace every {lu'a} above with {ro lu'a},
since {ro} is empty as inner quantifier.

(I assume that the reason that {le} can't take a sumti directly
is to allow us to say things like {le mi mapku}, meaning "my hat"
and not "the me is a hat", which would be its natural meaning.
This possessor sumti cannot be quantified directly.)

> & IMO:
> loi broda = lu'o lo'i broda
> lei broda = lu'o le'i broda
>
> (The "IMO" is because I don't hold with the default piro/pisu'o.)

Ignoring the issue of default quantifiers, I would
say:

piro loi broda = (piro) lu'o ro lu'a lo'i broda
piro lei broda = (piro) lu'o ro lu'a le'i broda

pisu'o loi broda = (piro) lu'o su'o lu'a lo'i broda
pisu'o lei broda = (piro) lu'o su'o lu'a lo'i broda

In general:

pi Q loi broda = (piro) lu'o Q lu'a lo'i broda
pi Q lei broda = (piro) lu'o Q lu'a le'i broda

I think the defaults should be {piro lei} and {pisu'o loi},
as for {le} and {lo}.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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