[jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 08

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 1:25 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > 4) tolpa'a (dread/apprehension)
>> >
>> > p1 tolpa'a p2 p3
>> > p1 dreads/is apprehensive about event p2, expected likelyhood being p3 (0-1)
>>
>> the x3 is nonsense for "pacna", and the nonsense carries on to "tolpa'a".
>
> I've never understood your objection to the p3 (as you know).  You can dread
> an event irrespetive of it being likely to happen (e.g. p3=0.9) or unlikely
> to happen (e.g. p3=0.1).  The dreading is about consequence not likelyhood.

My objection is precisely because the likelihood of an event has
nothing whatsoever to do with the hoping or dreading of it. Why is it
even part of the place structure? What connection does it have with
the hoping/drearing?

>> > 5) nonpa'a (hopeless/desperate)
>> >
>> > p1 nonpa'a p2
>> > p1 feels neutral about event p2, expected likelyhood being p3 (0-1)
>>
>> non- or nor-?
>>
>> Someone desperate about something does not feel neutral about it.
>
> Agreed, 'hopeless/desparate' was from a previous effort and shou;ld not
> have been there.
>
> I don't think nor- as this is not a scalar midpoint between hoping something
> will happen and being indifferent.  Wouldn't that be 'somewhat hopeful'?

So what does the non- mean here? If it's "pacna fi li no", does that
mean "x1 wishes x2 were the case, but x2 is an impossible event"?

"no'e" is the midpoint between "je'a" and "to'e".

mu'o mi'e xorxes