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[jbovlaste] Re: eyeglasses vs contact lenses vs etc
> It's
> > too late
> for that. {le'otci} already means “eyeglasses”. If you want something
>
> > that could mean any kind of lens tool, use {lenjo tutci}.
>
>
> Why is it to late? Just because {le'otci} is in jbovlaste doesn't mean it's
> carved in stone.
No, of course not. But it has been in different lujvo
> lists since the early 90s. That, in itself, doesn't count for much (there are
> lots of completely hopeless lujvo in those lists after all), but IMHO it
> strengthens the case when it also has had some usage.
> And I don't
> see that {le'otci} has been used that much in the past anyway.
I found
> three on Google:
| .i ko'a pilno lo cukla le'otci gi'e dasni lo bebna
> purci taxfu
-- > >http://www.handgranat.org/Jikybebna
| doi #lojban mi puzi cpacu le
> cnino le'otci .uicai
-- > href="http://twitter.com/lbergen/status/8737360775" target=_blank
> >http://twitter.com/lbergen/status/8737360775
| .ije mi'o dasni lo
> solri le'otci
-- > href="http://www.mail-archive.com/lojban-beginners@lojban.org/msg03212.html"
> target=_blank
> >http://www.mail-archive.com/lojban-beginners@lojban.org/msg03212.html
There
> might be more in the mail archives or IRC logs. I did not find any occurrences
> of {kaldadle'o}.
My point is that comparatively little weight should be
> given to arguments of the form “The tanru of lujvo X could refer to any kind of
> Y, therefore the lujvo X should refer to Y in general, and no other, more
> precise concept”.
We have a way to express “eyeglasses”. We have a way to
> express “lens tool”. It doesn't _hurt_ to have more ways to say “eyeglasses”,
> but it's not _necessary_. And we can't just widen the meaning of the word
> {le'otci} when it has been used by people who know what they're doing.
By
> the way, I couldn't find any existing words for “contact lens”, so the fact that
> tijlan is trying to make one is very good. Anything with {snipa} + {lenjo} would
> probably be adequate.
You make some good points BUT three uses in the whole of Lojban's history
of a lujvo which may or may not have been well-designed is not, in my mind,
an adequate justificationj for shutting dowm attempts at coming up with better lujvo alternatives.
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