Re: [jbovlaste] Is mathematical terminology jargon?

Actually, I never heard of the "limit superior" and "limit inferior" before. I had only heard of the other, and I understand that it may cross it several times. But that doesn't change the fact that it gets progressively closer to it, and it ultimately serves as a extreme in that sense. OTOH, I proposed a lujvo, and a jargon one at that, so it can have any meaning attached to it we want.

--gejyspa

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Joe Anderson <jandew@gmail.com> wrote:

Your example still doesn't relate to the mathematical limit.

Maybe your confusion is that jimte fits this limit well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_superior_and_limit_inferior

but not this limit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_(mathematics)

The first example illustrations should give it away pretty quickly why. One is is about approaching but never reaching, which makes sense for a "limit/bound" word like jimte, and the other is about approaching but sometimes while crossing repeatedly, which may fit as a "limit" but not as every other gloss word for jimte -- it's not an extreme, because the min and max fit that better, and it's not a bound or border or confinement, because supremum/infinum or upper/lower bound or topological boundaries all make more sense there.

This is not a matter of a liberal use of {jimte}, but of a sad naming of the original mathematical term. "limit" fits the mathematical definition very minimally to begin with. It is the result "at a limit," but it is not "limiting" at all.

-Joe Anderson

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

Perhaps it's because I take "jimte" more liberally than the two of you seem to. For example, I consider the following to be a valid (non-mathematical) use:

la bastyn jimte lo nu mi cadzu ca lo prulamdei se ka'a da'i .ai la mein -- Boston was as far as I got in my walk to Maine yesterday (i..e the limit to an event). I think korbi is more useful for a boundary of topological space.

--gejyspa

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

That use of {jimte} is outright wrong, in that it is entirely inconsistent for something like x_n = (-1)^n/n where 0 is not a bound in any sense and yet is the limit of the sequence. This is also jargon, and should be treated as such. {jimte} when used in mathematics should be for things like "boundary of a topological space"

mu'o mi'e la latro'a

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, it's jargon, IMHO.

As for limit in the mathematical sense:

fancyjimte: j1 is the limit of function f1=j2 from domain f2=j3 to range f3 (add fa'a piece if you want to specify direction of the limit)

--gejyspa

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

I'm thinking of adding the word "kadlago" (x1 is a càdlàg function from domain
x2 to range x3, where the domain and range have topologies such that it makes
sense). "càdlàg" is a French acronym which looks strange even in French, but
has been adopted into various languages. Should I mark it as jargon?

Also, what's the word for "limit" in the mathematical sense?

Pierre
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