On 1/11/2013 4:55 PM, Eitan Postavsky
wrote:
3) terserspaji: sp2 is surprised by step st3 while
traversing stairs, surprised either that it exists or that it
doesn't exist; sp2 unexpectedly hits floor when expecting to
step on step st3; sp2 unexpectedly hits step st3 when expecting
to step on floor.
Every terserspaji
must be an unexpected stepping, not a surprised stepper, because
every terserspaji is a spaji and every spaji
is a surprising/startling/unexpected event/action, and terserti
are neither events/actions nor spaji. Therefore,
regardless of whether the arguments are mentioned in the order in
which you intended their places to be (which I cannot ascertain
because "x1" and "x2" are excluded), your place structure is
flawed.
Ah, yes, must have had a bit of a brainfart. This lujvo is the one I spent the least time thinking about :S Thanks for your patience.
I propose this alternative
(which includes the serti, also, as an argument):
x1=sp1
is an event/action of x2=sp2 unexpectedly stepping off
stairs/stairway/steps x3=st2, instead of onto step x4=st3, or onto
step x3=st4, instead of off
stairs/stairway/steps x3=st2
You are right to include st1 (I believe you meant st1, not st2). That will probably be of more use than st3 when complaining to your friends about how a stupidly designed staircase made you stub your toe. I propose, then, that st3 be dropped, for, in the language of the CLL chapter Dog House and White House, st1 and st3 are mutually dependent places (it's almost always the topmost or bottommost step that gets you).
However, I question the separation of sp1 from the rest of the bridi. What's the use of x1 in your proposed place structure? It just gets in the way. My idea was to have it be some sort of implicit-abstraction lujvo. But then you object that having an implicit-abstraction lujvo with the x1 of the tertau being the abstraction is confusing, rightly so, so perhaps this:
serselspaji: sp2, traversing stairs/stairway/steps st1, gets startled by taking a step/stride and the ground not being at the expected level for the landing foot/terdzu, e.g. by expecting one more step to go when it has already finished the staircase.
(I feel comfortable using "it" for agents when talking about place structures.)
That /is/ the intended order of places, x1=sp2 and x2=st1.
Interesting, a bit of {cadzu} is creeping in there... Yes, this is a torturedly-implicit abstraction indeed. But, since I've sent this word out there already, I'll just go right ahead and hit Send.
4) And finally, an experiment. Here's yet another of these
lujvo: {selsnemojmo'i}. What meaning do you think I have in mind
for it?
I conjecture that it is "déjà vu,"
although {selsneselmojmo'i} is better, because what is recollected
is the memory, not the entity that does the recollecting, and
eliding one "sel" but not the other would be inconsistent.
Hmm, good guess, that is another common memory defect. Not what I was thinking of, though. It's quite possible that what I'm thinking of is simply unguessable, but I have a hint in mind.