[lojban-beginners] Re: lo kansa gunka se pidversra xatra

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 10:21:09AM -0400, Betsemes wrote:
> coi rodo

Man.  Bit intense for the beginner's list.  Fully fleshed out lujvo
and everything.  :-)  BTW, most of us (i.e. those working on
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/) prefer the format "s1 helps / donates
to poor child s2=v1=p1 by means s4, child is of age v2 and
lacking in possessions/properties p2; s3 is 'poorness'".

Wow.  The whole thing parses, too.  .io sai

I'm going to do my standard lojban-beginners thing and
back-translate, but as you're clearly competent enough my actual
responses (if any) will be in Lojban.

> i tu'e lo kansa gunka goi ko'a cu 

Co-workers, which I'll call it-1

mi stidi lu lo kansa jibri be mi li'u

> te dunda le pamoi xatra le ko'a se pidversra goi ko'e 

received the first letter from the destitute child they are
supporting, which I'll call it-2

mi stidi lu le se pidversra be ko'a li'u .i ku'i na vajni

> .i ko'a mutce gleki la'edi'u 

They were very happy about this.

> gi'e tavla zo'e lonu klama mu'i lenu viska ko'e 

and talked about goin to see the child

mi mutce stidi zo penmi .e nai zo viska .i zo'o lo nu jersi je viska
gi'e nai penmi cu zekri

> .i li'a lenu pidversra cu mamsa 

mi sruma zo mansa

Clearly the child is satisfied.

> .i mi ba'o mutce prami lo se pidversra .ijanai le pidversra cu
> kurji lenu tavla le se pidversra 

Either I am finished loving a child I supported and it may or may
not be true that the child supporter cares for the talking of the
supported child, or neither of these are true.

OK, not doing this in Lojban.

I know that "ja nai" says that it's "only if", but it's almost
certainly not the "if" that you want.  If you have "A .i ja nai B",
this means either A is true or neither B nor A are true.  If A is
true, it doesn't matter if B is true or not.

Logical connectives are *not* causal.

If want you want is "I am finished loving a child I supported
because child supporters care about talking to the children they
support", you want ".i mu'i bo" or ".i ki'u bo".

Also, kurji doesn't mean "cares about", it means "take care of", so
the whole thing kind of confuses me.  For "cares about", you want
"cinmo" or "djica".

> .i mi ka'e djuno tu'a lo xe pidversra

I am capable of knowing about the things a supported child is
lacking.

mi na jimpe

-Robin

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