[lojban-beginners] Re: tcadu

[Jan Pilgenroeder <pille@mac.com>]

Am 13.07.2005 um 11:58 schrieb diLItyr:

> city
> x1 is a town/city of metropolitan area x2, in political unit x3,  
> serving hinterland/region x4[also (adjective:) x1 is urban]; (cf.  
> jarbu, nurma, cecmu, jarbu)
>
> hmm, too much...
> What does x4 mean?
>
> x2 is not a country, so {la moskov. cu tcadu le rukygu'e} doesn't  
> work.

You are right. You would use X3 for the nation (or state or district  
or county or whatever political/administrative unit). So you would  
say {la moskov. cu tcadu  fi le rukygu'e}.

Some cities are part of a larger cluster of cities. E.g. San  
Francisco is not really that big (only around 300k people) but it is  
part of the SF Bay area (with Oakland, Berkley and some other  
cities). The Ruhrgebiet in Germany is a pretty good example, too.  
There's a load of cities (some up to half a million inhabitants) that  
are so close together it almost seems like a single big city (if it  
was declared a single city it would be up there with Los Angeles -  
which is rather like a seltcadu itself).

So you might say {la'o d. Hagen d. cu tcadu la'o .dy.  
Ruhrgebiet .dy.}. Or: {la'o .dy. Ruhrgebiet .dy. cu se tcadu}.

I am living 70-80 km south of the Ruhrgebiet. When we want to go  
shopping for stuff we don't get in the small town I live in, then we  
usually drive to some city in the southern Ruhrgebiet (usually  
Dortmund). So I might say:

mi xabju le ve tcadu be fo la'o .dy. Dortmund .dy.

People living in the southernmost tip of the Netherlands would  
probably say:

mi na xabju le te tcadu be fi la axen. .iku'i mi xabju le ve tcadu be  
fo la axen.

> Moscow in surrounded by its region, but is not a part of it.
>
> So...
>
> x1 - {la moskov.}
> x2 - the towns bordering it?
> x3 - {le rukygu'e}
> x4 - Moscow region or ?
>
>
> --
> mu'o
>
> <deletesoftware.vcf>

Bye,
   Jan.

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Jan Pilgenroeder
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57439 Attendorn
pille@mac.com