On 14.10.2006, 0:59, Matt Arnold wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unvoiced_glottal_fricative > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative It's like explaining difference between [d] and [t] to a 40 year old Chinese who never heard any language except his native. mi'e .ianis. --------------------- Lojban: A Language With *Intelligent* Design