[lojban-beginners] Re: '''''''''''

On 10/26/07, Jon Top Hat Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com > wrote:

I may be confusing this with Loglan, but i believe that originally the
{'} was what the {,} is now, with the "h" sound being optional for
those who have difficulty with pronouncing {a,o} and the like.

On 10/25/07, Jared Angell < angell.jared@gmail.com> wrote:
> I see.
>
> Okay, I'm really curious: Are you a linguist Bob?  And if not then why
> haven't you received an honorary degree in linguistics by now?
>
> Djared (Farlus)
>
> On 10/25/07, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
> >
> > Jared Angell wrote:
> > > Why was ' chosen instead of h?  since h is left out but it's in the
> > > middle of the keyboard (even in Russian) this bothers me as a bad and
> > > annoying choice as the ' seems counterintuitive to anyone accustomed to
> > > the romantic character set and keyboard.  Perhaps there are Spanish and
> > > French keyboards which readily have ' but lack h????
> > >
> > > This irritates me something fierce so I'd like to hear the logic behind
> > > it if anyone knows.
> >
> > h is a consonant in all languages that have the letter.
> >
> > In Lojban, at least in theory, it is NOT defined as a consonant, but a
> > solution to the problem of vowel glides when two vowels are adjacent.
> >
> > Thinking of the orthography as representing the sound-stream:
> > If a close-comma appears between the two vowels, then there is a voiced
> > glide.  If an apostrophe appears, then it is a devoiced glide.  If a
> > period appears, there is a glottal stop (and it separates into two
> > words), and if none of these appear, the vowels form a diphthong.
> >
> > English speakers (and those of many other languages) often hear a
> > devoiced glide as an "h", and more importantly, they tend speak a
> > devoiced glide as an "h" as the default.  In theory, you could use a
> > different devoiced sound (as long as it isn't one of the other unvoiced
> > consonants of Lojban, or a glottal stop), and some have used a devoiced
> > "th" which of course makes a lojbanist sound like like they have a funny
> > lithp.
> >
> > The apostrophe does not count as a consonant or a vowel in any of the
> > Lojban word-formation rules, which rely on consonant and vowel patterns.
> >   If it were an h, we would probably have great difficulty keeping this
> > clear.
> >
> > lojbab
> >
> >
> >
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>
> --
> Jared
>
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>
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