[lojban-beginners] Re: nitcu le denpa lerfu fi ma

["Michael Turniansky" <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

On Dec 26, 2007 10:20 AM, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 26, 2007 11:24 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 26, 2007 1:06 AM, Pierre Abbat < phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> >
> > Thus {zoi zoi. borzoi .zoi} is a valid quotation. About {zoi ly.
> > Lythraceae .ly.}, I'm not so sure.
>
>   Not according to  the refgram, Chapter 19, section 10:
>
> " Its syntax is ``zoi X. text .X'', where X is a Lojban word (called the
> delimiting word) which is separated from the quoted text by pauses, and
> which is not found in the written text or spoken phoneme stream."
>
>   Maybe this is different under  dotside??  Or are suggesting it's fine in
> writing, but not spoken due to the existence of spaces/nonspaces?

The issue here is what does it mean for a word to be "found in the written
text or spoken phoneme stream". As I see it, the word {ly} is not found
in the written text "Lythraceae". As for the phoneme stream, it will depend
on how it is pronounced. Only if "thraceae" is pronounced in such a way
that it sounds like a Lojban word or words will {ly} be separated as a
Lojban word.

  My fault, I should have clarified.  I was objecting to the borzoi example.