[lojban-beginners] Re: on lojbanizing the place structure

["Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Jan 5, 2008 11:08 AM, Vid Sintef <picos.picos@gmail.com> wrote:
> What would a Lojbanic description of place structure be like on the
> gimste? I have (naively) come up with this one:
>
> klama
> fa-gau fe-mo'ifa'a fi-mo'ito'o fo-mo'ire'o fu-ta'i
>
> I suppose "fa lo jaigau", "fe lo jaimo'ifa'a" etc. would be
> grammatically more appropriate, but also wordy, so I (ungrammatically)
> simplified them.
>
> Suggestion please.

I wrote the definition for {klama} based on {muvdu}, and for
{muvdu} I have:

x1 cenba lo ka ce'u zvati makau kei fe'e co'u x2 fe'e co'a x3 fe'e ca'o x4

The problem with {gau} for the x1 of klama is that {gau} is for making
someone else do something, eventually making oneself do something,
but "I go" is not the same as "I make myself go". {zu'e} in that sense
would be better but it implies an intention that klama may not have.
{fi'o cenba be lo ka ce'u zvati makau} would tag "that which changes
its position".

I went with {fe'e co'a}, {fe'e ca'o} and {fe'e co'u} for origin, route and
destination because {fa'a} and {to'o} are really about direction, not
necessarily sarting and ending points, as the x3 and x2 of klama.

mu'o mi'e xorxes